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been 00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:24.640 align:start position:0% but there were politics and they've been 00:39:24.640 --> 00:39:26.630 align:start position:0% but there were politics and they've been not<00:39:24.839> fully<00:39:25.200> stripped<00:39:25.720> but<00:39:25.880> at<00:39:26.000> least<00:39:26.200> taken<00:39:26.480> a 00:39:26.630 --> 00:39:26.640 align:start position:0% not fully stripped but at least taken a 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:29.550 align:start position:0% not fully stripped but at least taken a lot<00:39:26.960> back<00:39:27.400> and<00:39:27.520> I<00:39:27.640> think<00:39:27.920> that<00:39:28.280> that<00:39:28.480> was<00:39:28.800> where 00:39:29.550 --> 00:39:29.560 align:start position:0% lot back and I think that that was where 00:39:29.560 --> 00:39:31.550 align:start position:0% lot back and I think that that was where some<00:39:29.760> of<00:39:29.920> the<00:39:30.200> problems<00:39:30.640> started<00:39:31.280> because 00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:31.560 align:start position:0% some of the problems started because 00:39:31.560 --> 00:39:33.550 align:start position:0% some of the problems started because yeah<00:39:31.960> WordPress<00:39:32.400> is<00:39:32.480> an<00:39:32.640> open<00:39:32.920> source<00:39:33.200> project 00:39:33.550 --> 00:39:33.560 align:start position:0% yeah WordPress is an open source project 00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:34.870 align:start position:0% yeah WordPress is an open source project yes<00:39:33.680> you<00:39:33.800> can<00:39:33.960> get<00:39:34.079> the<00:39:34.240> source<00:39:34.599> but<00:39:34.720> we 00:39:34.870 --> 00:39:34.880 align:start position:0% yes you can get the source but we 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:36.990 align:start position:0% yes you can get the source but we realize<00:39:35.359> in<00:39:35.520> this<00:39:35.720> case<00:39:36.440> just<00:39:36.640> getting<00:39:36.880> the 00:39:36.990 --> 00:39:37.000 align:start position:0% realize in this case just getting the 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align:start position:0% how much money that would cost so yeah they<00:54:19.160> love<00:54:19.359> it<00:54:19.640> and<00:54:20.040> hey<00:54:20.520> if<00:54:20.880> if<00:54:21.000> there's<00:54:21.240> the 00:54:21.390 --> 00:54:21.400 align:start position:0% they love it and hey if if there's the 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.270 align:start position:0% they love it and hey if if there's the comments<00:54:21.839> then<00:54:22.280> okay<00:54:22.480> let<00:54:22.640> them<00:54:22.799> use<00:54:23.000> it<00:54:23.200> I 00:54:23.270 --> 00:54:23.280 align:start position:0% comments then okay let them use it I 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.630 align:start position:0% comments then okay let them use it I don't<00:54:23.480> I<00:54:23.559> don't<00:54:23.720> give<00:54:23.839> a<00:54:23.960> [ __ ]<00:54:24.160> it's<00:54:24.400> fine<00:54:25.400> but 00:54:25.630 --> 00:54:25.640 align:start position:0% don't I don't give a [ __ ] it's fine but 00:54:25.640 --> 00:54:27.950 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